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Episode 29: Celebrating Breast Beauty with Talia Schwartz

, October 7, 2020

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Jacqueline Kincer  0:40

Welcome back to another episode of The Breastfeeding Talk Podcast: Milk, Motherhood, Mindset. I am here with a super special guest today Talia Schwartz, and I’m really excited to bring you someone that is probably unexpected. So you may not know what this episode is about, but we’ll get into it. So, Talia is the founder of Soleil Rose, a swimwear brand for women with breast asymmetry. She’s a mother of three and a nonpracticing MD. And after being diagnosed with breast cancer and undergoing treatment, she was left with uneven breasts. Many women who are breast cancer survivors experienced this, but it’s actually a very common issue for women as a result of breastfeeding, hormonal changes, and naturally. So welcome Talia. I’m super excited to have you here.


Talia Schwartz  1:30

Thank you so much for having me. I’m glad to be here.


Jacqueline Kincer  1:33

Yeah, absolutely. And for those of you who follow me on Instagram, you might have seen me share some posts from her Instagram page. Her swimwear is gorgeous. And I didn’t even know that it had anything to do with this, I just thought, oh, it’s really pretty. And then she reached out to me. And, you know, I’ve gotten to get to know her a little bit and chat to her about her story. And so I would love for you to share your story with our listeners if you want to talk about, you know, if you want to start at the beginning with your experience, as an MD or a mother, wherever you want to go with that, just a little intro a little more about yourself.


Talia Schwartz  2:09

Thank you for having me. AAs you mentioned, I’m a mother of three. And I guess my story really begins back in the early days of motherhood and breastfeeding my children, I nursed all three. And I did find that my right side always produced a little more milk than my left side and was always a little bit larger. And I think I eventually figured out that, you know, I could just nurse on that one side. So, you know, I kind of always had this awareness of one side being a little bit different than the other. But about seven years later, I felt a lump in my right side. And it was eventually diagnosed as breast cancer. And I spent about a year in treatment. And once all my treatment was done, and I was just so thrilled to be back to myself and feeling good again, I had a really difficult time with my breasts, because one side was much higher and tighter than the other as a result of the multiple surgeries that I had and the radiation.


Talia Schwartz  3:21

And I was just really frustrated with it. And I happened to be down in Los Angeles on vacation with my family. And, you know, we were talking about taking a big trip abroad to a beach. And I was like, gosh, I have, I can’t wear a bathing suit, because my breasts now are so uneven. And I couldn’t find anything out there that you know, would be able to accommodate for one side needing a lift and the other side needing a little more cup increase. And so just sort of conceptualizing like, what would my ideal bathing suit be? And I was talking about it with my sister actually. And she’s like, why don’t you just make one yourself. And so that’s sort of what the the planted the seed in this whole development of Sally rose. But what I found really interesting was that, you know, initially I was talking about this a lot with my breast cancer survivor, friends and community. But when I started talking about it with my girlfriends, I had so much, just so much feedback about how they so many of them had asymmetric breast. Many of them had breast asymmetry while they were nursing or just naturally and I just started to realize like wow, this is something that so many women could benefit from and we don’t really talk about breast asymmetry for some reason.


Jacqueline Kincer  4:49

You know, that’s such a good point that you brought up even even you know your journeys a little different than a lot of listeners to the podcast, but you touched on you know, even when you’re writing Feeding and, you know, I certainly remember, you know, my right breast being a lot bigger. And then the other one and feeling like, you know, even just a regular nursing bra was kind of a struggle to get it to fit and just feeling self conscious, you know, like feeling like everyone can notice you know what my asymmetry and especially just even if you don’t have a symmetrical breast, there’s definitely like, if you’re if your baby leaners is on one side at a time, you can have some sort of like induced temporary asymmetry, which is never that fun, but I don’t think a lot of people realize that breast asymmetry is is actually really common. It’s really normal. I mean, most people don’t realize that, you know, your arms aren’t the exact same length either neither your legs or, you know, things like that. Right. So maybe you could even just talk about, you know, is, is this a common thing I know, it is for lactation that 70% of women will have a right breast that makes more milk than the left. Usually, that means the right breast is bigger, but just even normal female anatomy. Would you say it’s really common?


Talia Schwartz  6:05

It’s very common. And, you know, in the development of my slimmer line, I wanted to make sure that I was addressing all the different issues that women had even, you know, ones that I wasn’t experiencing, necessarily. And I spoke with a good friend of mine, who’s a plastic surgeon, and he, he was, he said to me, you know, I tell my patients all the time, your breasts are sisters are not twin. And I just thought that was such an interesting way to describe it. Because yeah, they’re, you know, they’re a pair, but they’re not identical. And I don’t think anyone really has identical breasts, everyone has some degree of, of asymmetry, it’s just for some women, it’s more noticeable, or they’re more self conscious about it. You know, everyone experiences it a little differently, but it is extremely common. I think, as we mentioned, about 80% of women have a symmetry that’s, you know, noticeable to them.


Talia Schwartz  7:01

So, you know, the other 20% probably have some very minor degree of that, that. Yeah, it’s an extremely, extremely common phenomenon and experience for women. And, you know, there are so many reasons, of course, breast cancer and breastfeeding, but also, possibly osis, or other hormonal changes, I had been approached by several women actually, who they shared with me that one side just never developed, even from when they were young children are going through the early days of puberty. And so, you know, that that’s more of an extreme case, but, but yeah, it is very, very common. And, you know, what I found was that when I started talking about it, and when so many women started sharing their experiences with me, I, you know, we were, I was like, God, I would never have known this about you, if you hadn’t told me this now. And not because I didn’t notice it, or didn’t look for it. But nobody really talks about it. It’s sort of embarrassing.


Talia Schwartz  8:07

And, you know, I’m not like the most public person in general. And so even for me to start talking about it, I mean, of course, I had to start talking about it and sharing my experience to normalize it for other women. But, you know, it does feel a little bit uncomfortable to say, oh, yeah, my boobs are uneven. And, you know, I’m doing something for that. It feels a little intimate. But I, I actually think that having this conversation, especially today, where there’s so much acceptance of women and women are talking so much about all their experiences with their bodies with emotion, mental health, you know, this, for whatever reason is a very untapped area that a lot of women, you know, either they have it and they, it doesn’t bother them, or they have it and it does bother them, but it’s just not really being talked about.


Jacqueline Kincer  8:55

Hmm, I love that. Yeah, we we need to talk about our bodies and, and all these things. Because, you know, I know everybody sort of knows on a conscious level, right, that these, you know, women in magazines, or whatever media you want to think about are, you know, perfectly posed and quaffed, and maybe even photoshopped and whatever, all these things and so, and we can, you know, subconsciously look at that and start to, you know, think negative things about our bodies and compare and, and a lot of it does happen on a subconscious level. So even though you can say, Oh, well, you know, I, she’s Brazilian, so that’s why or, you know, make something up in your head, you know, but still there’s some part of, you know, we really self acceptance is key.


Jacqueline Kincer  9:43

There’s so many women who want to change their bodies, which, you know, there may be nothing wrong with that, but I know that when I’ve worked with moms with breastfeeding, you know, just a normal asymmetry I certainly see but like you mentioned with puberty and development breasts may never really develop and you know that it’s, well, it’s not the most common thing that I see I do see it, and it’s, you know, it’s on top of maybe already feeling self conscious and having to buy special bras, which, you know, don’t really aren’t super flattering. Your swimsuits, on the other hand, are super flattering, and, you know, hopefully, listeners can take a chance to go to the website or anything and check them out. They’re gorgeous, but um, you know, then they’re, now if they’re coming up on their breastfeeding journey, or they’ve just become a mom and they want to breastfeed, they may feel on top of that, like, I don’t know if I can do this, right. So that’s also another competence killer.


Jacqueline Kincer  10:43

And I always assure them, you know, actually, breast asymmetry or not, most babies end up nursing, just on one side anyway, like you had mentioned you did with your child. So it, they really, generally don’t need both breasts. For every feeding, I know that I don’t want anybody to get the wrong idea that you should only ever nurse on one side. But in general, that’s how it plays out, you know, as breastfeeding continues, so, you know, I, I love that you’re bringing this awareness. And, you know, whether it’s someone who is a breast cancer survivor, such as yourself, or someone who’s become a new mom, or even during pregnancy, you when your breasts change so dramatically like that. It’s it’s like having this new, you have these new body parts that you didn’t have before, right?


Talia Schwartz  11:32

I mean, absolutely.


Jacqueline Kincer  11:33

you think about that aspect of it, too?


Talia Schwartz  11:36

I think feedback that I’ve received from many women is that a lot of them have had breast changes, you know, starting with pregnancy, and then going into nursing and, you know, developing, the asymmetry even more pronounced from that. But yeah, you know, as women, our bodies change so much through the, you know, all the naturally through all the different hormonal changes that we experience and getting pregnant, nursing, you know, menopause, our bodies are always changing, I always joke with my husband, that if it was up to men, you know, that if men had to carry their bodies had to change the way that we did, that there will be no more human, you know, the human species will be wiped out, because, you know, we put up with a lot our bodies go through so much.


Talia Schwartz  12:28

Oh, and, you know, I think part of what was important to me, and all of this was, you know, to not make it sound like, oh, you know, you have this problem and you need help, it was more of a, you know, we all share this experience to some degree, and why not feel good. I mean, it’s not what it’s all about, I think we all, I don’t know, anyone who wants to get out there in a bathing suit and not feel good. And, or feel beautiful. And so I think it’s, you know, I think it’s really important to nurture that part of ourselves, especially when we have something that bothers us. And even though it is a natural phenomenon, and, you know, it may go away for some women after nursing, it may not, you know, and so, I’ve worked for women who’ve had breast cancer and have had surgeries or whatever, you know, whatever the cause of the asymmetry is I think that, you know, in the added, we all kind of want to just feel good and live a good life and feel beautiful. And so, you know, I thought coming up with real solutions that are practical and discreet, because I think that that’s really, nobody wants to. Oh,


Jacqueline Kincer  13:41

Yes, I love that. But I also think that you, you started to allude to something where we also don’t want to feel like we’re hiding ourselves. So I think there’s so many designs that I’ve seen on the market that are really designed to cover things up. And if you want to do that, I think that’s great. And you can do it for sun protection or other reasons. But, you know, like you said, why not bring almost, you know, I don’t want it to sound the wrong way. But like, there’s nothing wrong with bringing attention to this beautiful part of your body, especially one that served you or your children. So well. You know, I don’t think that, you know, the goal is necessarily we’re not trying to sexualize the breast I mean, there’s plenty of outlets that already do that, but to really bring an appreciation and beauty to them and, you know, enhance them in a way that isn’t necessarily sexualizing them but isn’t also trying to hide any of their imperfections or anything like that, because I I know that a lot of moms feel this way that you know, even if Breastfeeding has been really hard or whatever, no matter the length of time they’ve breastfed.


Jacqueline Kincer  14:51

A lot of moms have a lot of pride over their breasts. Now I’ve had women tell me before I had children, I never really liked my bras. I thought about getting impatient. or a breast lift or whatever. Now, I couldn’t even think of doing surgery to them, because they’re just, you know, they have this sort of appreciation for what their body can do. So I think that if you know, cancer lactation, I think there might be a similar feeling of women on there, like, you know, maybe maybe you have had surgery to have parts removed or things like that, but you can certainly appreciate, you know, the role that that piece of you served in your life.


Talia Schwartz  15:28

Absolutely, I, you know, it’s interesting, because what I was looking for, for myself initially for a bathing suit, and that’s exactly was my, you know, what I found was that so many bathing suits out there, for these types of things are meant to hide or cover up what my, whatever is a bother to you, and specifically the brass section usually wear or you can kind of put enhancers and they all felt like they were just serving to cover up, whatever, you know, the quote unquote, problem area was, and I personally, I think the female body is so beautiful, and I love breasts and having cleavage, and I just think it looks really beautiful and nice. And so my take on it was why not find something that can really, you know, accentuate a woman’s breast beauty, and you know, at the same time, help, whatever it is that they would like to you know, whatever lifting eat or increase in size, or whatever it is, but I agree with you, I mean, our breast has for a lot of women who have nursed and who even you know, in our breasts have served us so well and even like to our children, and I agree, I mean, it’s just I think, I think breasts are eautiful. And they’re part of our body. So why, why hide it? Hmm, yeah,


Jacqueline Kincer  16:57

no, I, I love that. And I love that you’ve experienced this transformation that, you know, you’ve come out the other side of this feeling almost like a reverence, you know, instead of, you know, it’s this sore pain point for you. Um, was it always that way for you, like, when you were going through your diagnosis and treatments? Or did you have some harder times reconciling things?


Talia Schwartz  17:23

No, it’s interesting, because when I had my double mastectomy, I had so many women say to me, like, you know, take some time, and, you know, like, say goodbye to breast and away, you know, kind of, like, mourn the loss of what you’re going to be, you know, losing basically, and, and I and I didn’t really feel that way. Personally, I felt like, okay, my body was changing, but my focus was really just to, like, be healthy and get the cancer out of my body. And so I didn’t really mourn the loss of my breast, because I knew that what was the solution was gonna keep me alive. So I think maybe psychologically, I didn’t think of it in that same way. I mean, I always love I always love my breath. You know, so it’s kind of interesting that I didn’t necessarily mourn the loss of them, because I always did love them. Um, but I think, you know, I don’t necessarily see what I have now is like, not being my breast so much.


Talia Schwartz  18:33

So I kind of just feel like, these are mine, I don’t really talk about them as like, you know, fake boobs or anything like that, to me, they’re still mine, you know, they’re a little different now. But, um, you know, they still feel like a very feel very much like a part of me. Um, but, you know, that was also I think, another part of this, you know, what, what led me to this particular design that you see on our website is that, because I’ve always sort of been kind of someone who likes who loves graphs, and they’re beautiful, why not show them? So, you know, I was like, Okay, this is something that I would not have worn before. It’s not me now. You know, I didn’t feel like a completely different person.


Talia Schwartz  19:25

I felt like you know, so I had some really difficult times and you know, meaning of life what would happen if I was here and all those especially children thinking about you know, what, we were lost to that. You know, those difficult times. But I am you know, in terms of designing a swimsuit, I always felt like I’m still me. I’m still Talia. And there’s nothing you know, I’m not like this different person now. So I want to still be able to be me Do the things that I did, and were the things I wore and not feel like I’m a completely different person now. And I’m like breast cancer survivor, which means that I have to look a certain way and wear certain things. And, you know, so yeah, I mean, I definitely dark moments, I would say just, you know, more than losing the my breath was probably more of an existential, you know, questions that I had, and those kind of painful, difficult questions when you’re in the middle of it all, and you know, just wanting to survive, basically.


Jacqueline Kincer  20:39

That makes sense. And I, as I listened to you share your journey there, I couldn’t help but think that for someone who’s listening the podcast, if they didn’t do this already, they could go rewind it a little bit and just interchange the words breast cancer survivor with, you know, breastfeeding mom or lactating mom, because, you know, I think that it can go it can go both ways, or not change a person in any way where, you know, during, during pregnancy when the bras become bigger and even bigger once the baby’s born. And, you know, maybe there’s pain involved. I know, there are some women that sort of, I say, they don’t come out of breastfeeding unscathed. Meaning like that, they may have endured some severe nipple trauma, or may have ended up with mastitis and an abscess that had to be drained or, you know, there can be some really severe situations there that the permanently change the appearance and feeling of the breast. And, you know, those things can be traumatic or scary, but they can also be badges of honor.


Jacqueline Kincer  21:41

And it just sort of depends on how you look at it. And some women may mourn their, you know, cute little perky breasts that they had before baby and or they may love the new, bigger, fuller ones that they have now. And then there’s some women who maybe struggle with milk production, either they’re oversupply, some suppliers, or, you know, they have an under supply, and they may feel like their body is failing them. There’s all sorts of emotions, you know, and every breast cancer survivor, every breastfeeding mom is going to have a different experience of how things go in her own body. And I couldn’t help but think I shared a post that I saw, that made me laugh really loud. Because I could relate and it was about nursing bras when you’re done with breastfeeding. And like, how long does it take us to get rid of them. And I gotta tell you, I probably wore my nursing bras for like, I mean, maybe a year after I leaned. And so it was just kind of a, I just didn’t even want to deal with like the bra shopping. And it’s like you kind of get body dysmorphia, but like, what size?


Jacqueline Kincer  22:46

Am I even now, you know, and and then some women feel this, you know, big change, you know, once they do weaned, so if anybody’s listening, and they’re kind of coming up on that stage of breastfeeding. You know, it’s, it’s that it’s a whole new ballgame of like, well, are my breasts the same as they were before? No, are they the same as they were when I was lactating? No. And so I think, actually, this at all stages of anything, I think your swimsuits really come into play, because there’s like not a circumstance that I could think of where women really wouldn’t need one. But just those particular stages of breastfeeding where you know, emotions and perspective Squall different ways, but there’s just so many big changes happening. And then menopause to which, you know, I don’t even want to go down that road, because I want to pretend like it doesn’t exist, but one day, it will happen to me too. And I know that my breasts will change again. So in case you ladies didn’t know, you’ve now been warned. But I love that you had a positive view of your body and that you never lost sight. I think that’s really beautiful.


Talia Schwartz  23:55

Well, thank you. And, you know, as you’re talking, I’m really thinking about how, you know, it’s possible that I didn’t have that morning of my, you know, grasping, removed, maybe because as a woman who’s, you know, after pregnancy and lack of nursing and, you know, then the after nursing and the changes, you know, between having full breasts and then going to, you know, deflate not deflated. But you know, like, everyone has a different experience with that. And so having less breast tissue than I did, previous to being pregnant, or prior to being pregnant. I think that it’s true that we are breast change a lot through our lives as women and so, you know, maybe that’s partially why I didn’t find it to be like a morning of my breath because I’d already gone through a few changes. And I can, you know, kind of realized that it’s okay. You know, we’ll make do with whatever you You know, in the next chapter,


Jacqueline Kincer  25:02

yeah, no, I think that’s, that’s really great. And that makes me think of something that, you know, I think that we, you know, sometimes I’ve heard about this with, you know, adolescents and teenagers where, you know, now we might throw our teenage daughter or preteen depending on when she gets it a period party, right? Like, oh, you got up coming up? Well, then you know, this. And I think there is, there is more like acceptance of celebration of that, although I kind of remember as a team going, oh, man, does this mean that I have to, like deal with this every month now. But, but that is a really, it is a really beautiful thing. And, as it, it could be seen as an inconvenience, but it’s the thing that allows us to become mothers, which is really special. And then with breastfeeding as much as you know, there may be things that we don’t love about our experience, or whatever, it’s something to be celebrated. Like, I, I’ve done this a few times with clients, where I’ve worked with them, you know, while they’re pregnant, and then they have a baby, and they call me and, you know, they kind of keep you updated.


Jacqueline Kincer  26:05

Or maybe I’m, you know, doing an appointment with them. And their milk comes in, and I just celebrate, like, Hey, your milk came in, you know, and there they look at me kind of weird, like, okay, yeah, supposed to, you know, like, Yeah, but I mean, it doesn’t always happen. So, you know, this is, this is a really big deal. Like, now you’re breastfeeding mom, you know, and so, I think we can also celebrate the end of breastfeeding, and just any of these life changes that you’re that you’re talking about. It’s, you know, celebrating milestones of life. And then, you know, in some ways, maybe that actually decreases our attachment if, if we end up you know, no longer having that part of us with us anymore.


Talia Schwartz  26:48

Yeah, I think I think you’re right. I mean, not to say that, you know, we shouldn’t love our breath. I mean, I still love my breath. But yeah, after, you know, I, if I’m looking the days of nursing, challenges with that, for me, and, um, you know, I think I think women are just really are resilient, and we kind of are able to go to the next battle with armed and ready to face downfalls. And so, you know, I felt like, at least with breast cancer, you know, I’ve been through a lot of stuff already, you know, and so, you know, I can do this, I’m going to do it, I have the best doctors and mentally, you know, we’ve all been through things, and I’m just gonna, you know, look straight ahead. And, you know, just keep my eye on the prize, which is, of course, you know, getting through treatment and, hopefully being healthy. So, yeah, but I think you’re right, I think that, you know, it’s important for us to embrace all of the different stages of our lives. And, you know, no one really knows, we don’t know what’s not. So just loving ourselves, I think that really is, I think, such an important part of all of these issues, and limited experiences for life, whether it’s just pregnancy and changes, the dad, nursing and being a mother, and, you know, navigating our way in the world, and then, you know, menopause, all those things are all going to be changes physically, that will experience. And so I think it’s just, you know, keeping in mind that we’re, you know, just, we’re just human, and we’re all just trying to feel good and live good lives. Hmm,


Jacqueline Kincer  28:40

that i Yes, I know, it’s such an excellent way to sum up everything that you’re saying. And I really hope that everyone listening is really hearing that because I think that what comes to mind is that we can be really hard on ourselves. Not everyone is this way, but I do think new moms, there’s so much not necessarily doubt, although sometimes that comes in but you know, you just if you’ve never done this before, it’s kind of like, well, there’s not. There’s there’s books and things, but it doesn’t really come with an instruction manual. And every baby is different. And every experience is, you know, every circumstance and so, you know, gosh, I just to celebrate ourselves, our bodies, what they’re capable of, I think is just so amazing. And this sounds like some sort of weird shameless plug. I’m not affiliated with her company, just so everyone who’s listening knows that but like, I think an amazing way to celebrate your incredible body and what it’s capable of, is to wear a swimsuit or any piece of clothing that just makes you feel beautiful. I know. Like, sometimes I’ll just be having a rough day or, you know, whatever it is, and I know that if I sit around, and this is just me, I don’t know if there’s anybody else but I sit around in my sweatpants and I don’t do my hair, hair makeup, you know, I don’t really get out of my funk. But if I make the effort, maybe I’ve been washed my hair that day, that’s a real special occasion, if I do that, and then you know, I do my makeup really nice, and I wear something nice and I leave the house, even if it’s just to go through the coffee shop drive thru, I sure feel a lot better about myself when I do stuff like that. So I just want to encourage anyone who’s listening, but, you know, doing those things for your self is really a form of self care, but also just a form of


Talia Schwartz  30:35

self love. I, for me, you know, spending a lot of time in the sun outside at the beach, or, you know, I grew up in Los Angeles and spent our vacations in always in hot places. And so, you know, that, to me sort of represented like living life and kind of freedom. And, you know, that that’s sort of what being in a bathing suit has always meant to me in a way. And, you know, I that was really the the piece of it that felt so difficult afterwards, because, you know, in a, in a sweater or in a buttoned down or T shirt, you can you know, kind of manipulate under the, under the fabric, nobody sees what’s going on. But in a bathing suit, you’re pretty exposed. And so, I think, you know, feeling good in a bathing suit to me is very meaningful. And, and so that was you know, I hope that that women, I hope that women are able to experience you know, how it feels good. Oh,


Jacqueline Kincer  31:46

that is just so perfect. I just love the way you you shared that part of your story. And you know, I, I live here in Phoenix, Arizona, so we could swim basically around here. And you know, some states have been a really big part of my life. I know people live in other locations, not necessarily so but I really do, I’ve always felt like I’ve struggled somewhat to find one I’m super happy with. And there’s so many choices out there. But I love that you’re really not only have you made a really functional brand and product for women with really just women in mind, it’s not like you’re just some, you know, you already have this clothing line, and you just want to make more money. And you made swimsuits too, right? So like, I’m sure, you know, probably you’ve spent a lot of time just, you know, trying this out yourself and perfecting it and and all these things. And so I just love that you’re sharing that with us. And, you know, I feel like there might be some people who are chomping at the bit a little bit and going okay, like, I gotta get one of these. Where do I go to find out where to buy one of your suits? And if you could share a bit about that with us?


Talia Schwartz  32:56

Yeah, we’re all online, which today feels very appropriate, since so many of us are still in stages and have a high number of COVID.


Talia Schwartz  33:09

Yeah, the incidence here is pretty high. So yeah, so I’m we’re online, and the website is solely


Jacqueline Kincer  33:20

And I’ll link that up in the show notes. So yeah, you don’t have to spell it out. But I’ll put in the show notes. And when I post this episode on Instagram, everybody will have the links and everything.


Talia Schwartz  33:29

Yeah. I just wanted to comment on what you said about the bathing suits, because as, as you mentioned, are about my if I comment on that, yeah, of course, please. You know, I, as you mentioned, I so I don’t have a background in design. I mean, I always have loved fashion, I love design, but I have not had a background in that. And, you know, so what you mentioned is actually very true. I mean, I, you know, this wasn’t an existing brand that I needed to like, get a new or summer 2021 were needed to be made and produced. And, you know, this was really, I just didn’t find anything like this on the market. And when I met with different designers, I actually had a really hard time finding one who understood that this was not about just getting something out there. This was about getting a very well intentioned and you know, thoughtful design that was simple and friendly, but it had more to it than just, you know, I need to get this out my collection. And so I eventually found a designer who I felt really understood, you know, the human behind it, and what was the women are that will need to wear this or would want to wear this. I mean, that doesn’t mean that someone who doesn’t have breasts asymmetry, couldn’t wear it and enjoy it and It does provide wonderful support. But you know, behind the design was really well thought out. And everything was done in such a way to make it easy and, you know, kind of an experience a wonderful experience for women who does who do have birthday symmetry, because if they’re already looking to buy something like this, and they already are feeling comfortable with a restaurant, so we just wanted to be a really wonderful experience by experience and learning experience for the women who choose to buy.


Jacqueline Kincer  35:40

Oh, that is just so beautiful. And, you know, I love I love companies and brands with an incredible mission. And not just like, hey, I just thought I would like want to make some money. So and, and not that there’s anything wrong with that, I support that as well, you’re perfectly entitled to make a living. So I just want to be clear, but your story is just is touching my heart. And I just love that we have this chance to connect and connect you with anyone who’s listening to this episode. And I just, you know, if there’s any last sort of piece of advice that you would, or or some wisdom you want to impart, what would that be for our listeners?


Talia Schwartz  36:21

You know, I would I do want to say that, regardless of what you think your body looks like, you are beautiful, and we’re all beautiful. And I think that’s what makes us beautiful is how different we all are. Not to say that if you have some the bothers you, but you know, you, I think it’s okay to want to, you know, do something to present yourself in a different way. I think that’s okay, I don’t think there’s any, you know, we all put on a little bit of lipstick, leave the house or put on a little mascara, if it makes us feel good. When you talked about you know, getting dressed, to leave the house for a coffee run, it’s just all about you find makes you feel good. And, you know, for many people, the way they present themselves makes them feel good on the inside. And, of course, it’s not the only thing.


Talia Schwartz  37:10

But, you know, it does have a lot to do with our confidence, how we hardly think that we’re presenting ourselves. And that’s fine. I think it was also part of I think what acceptance and self love is also saying, Oh, it’s okay for me to want to, you know, make a few little tweaks in terms of, you know, my eating or putting on some lipstick or, you know, getting dressed up, I think that all those things are just, you know, ways for us to feel like we can go about in this world, our best selves and as our best selves. And so, you know, self acceptance should be, I think, you know, broader than just, you know, you have some things that are, you know, not perfect, and you need to, you know, get over it. I think self acceptance can also be okay, you know what, I do want to present myself in a slightly different way. And that’s okay. Yeah, okay, I think it’s really important for all of us to realize that we’re not alone, every single person is experiencing something that, you know, whether it’s a physical difficulty, or they’re having a problem nursing, or they’re going through breast cancer treatment. And, you know, I think we all get so caught up in our lives, we don’t realize that everyone is going through something. And so I just, I think that if we are a little bit easier on each other and realize, you know, we never know what’s happening with anybody else. So I think that’s a really important piece to, you know, conclude with is that everybody has challenges. No one is alone and our challenges, but I think if we talk about them and open up, you’ll find that, you know, so many, you’re never alone. So many women are dealing with lactation problems, you know, breast asymmetry, recovering from some sort of, you know, treatment for breast cancer, whatever it is, we just never know what’s happening with anybody. So I think just being open and honest and accepting of each other is a very important point. Hmm,


Jacqueline Kincer  39:23

it is it is. I’m so glad you made that point. For us, Talia. I just think you’re so wise. And I know that you have a little bit of a special gift for anyone who’s either reading the show notes or made it all the way to the end of this wonderful episode. Maybe you could tell us about that too.


Talia Schwartz  39:43

Yeah, so we’re offering a discount for women. And the discount will be a holistic 15 And it’ll be a 15% off of a swimsuit purchase. And I would love that To hear from any of you, um, you know, if you want to reach out and ask questions about breast asymmetry and what specifically, you know, you can expect or from our swimsuits or, you know, if you have any suggestions, or just kind of would like some more information, I’d love to hear from you now.


Jacqueline Kincer  40:19

Yeah, thank you so much. And I will, I will link up your website, social media profiles, and all that fun stuff. So listeners can get in touch with you, Italia, and learn more about your swimsuits. So yeah,


Talia Schwartz  40:31

and you know, I know that it’s coming towards fall. So, you know, some tips might not be on everyone’s mind. Um, you know, we try to make a very classic, elegant design, because personally, like, I don’t want to buy a bathing suit every year, I find one that fits me, well, I’ll wear it, or I have a bathing suit from 10 years ago. I don’t learn now because it’s, you know, for my birthday symmetry, about 10 years. So, I am very much about buying, you know, tradition. Sorry. Go back to that. Sorry, I misspoke. And very much classic style will last for many years to come. So, you know, if not, right now, summer will be coming back around. If you’re going on vacation somewhere and we’re making up for those vacations that we couldn’t take over the summer. I think you’ll be very happy with the designs.


Jacqueline Kincer  41:31

Yeah, I love that so much. So well. It’s just been an honor to have you on this episode. And I just really want to thank you for sharing so much wisdom and experience with us today, Italia. It’s been really truly great to hear your story and what you’ve done with your story. Oh,


Talia Schwartz  41:50

thank you so much for honor speaking with you to Jacqueline. And thank you so much for having me on.


Jacqueline Kincer  41:58

You are so welcome.



In this episode, we are welcoming Talia Schwartz, MD. She is the founder of Soleil Rose, a swimwear brand for women with breast asymmetry. She’s a mother of 3 and a non-practicing MD.

After being diagnosed with breast cancer and undergoing treatment, she was left with uneven breasts.  Many women who are breast cancer survivors experience this but it’s actually a very common issue for women–as a result of breastfeeding, hormonal changes, and naturally.

We are having a conversation about breast asymmetry and changes through the lifespan, especially breastfeeding. Join us to indulge in a lovely discussion about body acceptance and beautifying our breasts in a non-sexual way.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

  • How common it is for women to have asymmetrical breasts
  • Ways to find beauty in our bodies no matter what stage of life we are in
  • How compassion for ourselves can create ease through difficult times